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This issue of our newsletter is sent to members and friends of the Emory University Emeritus College (EUEC). I hope the newsletter will help keep you informed about our activities and help you feel connected with our members throughout the U.S. On the left are links to our website and links to contact either me or the EUEC office.
With best wishes,
GrayGray F. Crouse Director, EUEC
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 Message from the Director
Five of us have just returned from the AROHE Conference in Seattle. There is a report about the conference in this issue and I urge you to read it because EUEC is seriously considering hosting the next AROHE Conference here in 2018. We certainly appreciate any comments you might have on this possibility and seek additional help in planning if we do decide to host.
The fall semester has begun and our first Lunch Colloquium will be September 12. Particularly given the tenor of this election year, the topic of this Colloquium is both timely and extremely important and one not to miss. There are also items concerning our two grant programs: a report from a previous Heilbrun winner and the announcement of winners of the Bianchi Excellence Awards for this year.
The previous issue of the newsletter had information about the 1915 Scholars Program and a call for volunteers. Special thanks to the eight members who volunteered for this program and are already beginning their service!
I am very grateful to John Bugge, Herb Benario, and Gretchen Schulz for help with proofing and editing.
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Lunch Colloquium September 12  White Rage: The Unspoken Truth of our Racial DivideNOTE: LOCATION -- OLLI, EXECUTIVE PARK Room 112-114
Carol Anderson
Samuel Candler Dobbs Professor
Chair, African American Studies
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How Do Ethnographers Know?
Cory Kratz was awarded a Heilbrun Distinguished Fellowship for the 2014-2015 year. She reports below on the work she did making use of that Fellowship. Click here to jump to Cory's report below
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AROHE Conference 2016
Five EUEC Members attended the AROHE Conference in Seattle this month.
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Bianchi Excellence Award
Due to the generosity of the Founder of the Emeritus College, Eugene Bianchi, as well as contributions from many of his retired colleagues, EUEC is able to offer financial support for the ongoing intellectual activities of its members by means of small, strategic grants. The winners this year are: Dana Greene, Dean Emerita, Oxford College of Emory University, for help to cover the cost of completing a biography entitled The Inward War: A Life of Elizabeth Jennings and of writing a paper for the Oxford (England) symposium on Elizabeth Jennings. Katherine Mitchell, Senior Lecturer, Emerita, Visual Arts Department, Emory University, for help to defray some of the cost of her preparation for a single artist invited exhibition at Appalachian State University in Boone, NC. The exhibit "Quercus Alba" (White Oak) will open on November 3, 2017. In addition to the above, there were other strong applications that were not able to be funded. Congratulations to these members and thanks to the Awards and Honors Committee, chaired by Helen O'Shea with members Donna Brogan, James Keller, James Roark, and Patricia Douglass.
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1915 Scholars Program
A call for volunteers was posted in the previous newsletter for the 1915 Scholars Program. As noted in that issue: The 1915 Scholars Program is designed specifically for first-generation students in Emory College. Named for the year that Emory was chartered by DeKalb County to move to the Atlanta Campus, the 1915 Scholars Program promotes the ongoing journey of students who are the first in their family to attend college. It is a great pleasure to announce that eight EUEC members have volunteered for this important program: John Bugge, John Ford, Linda Hubert, John Juricek, Rudi Makkreel, Helen O'Shea, Ann Rogers, and Holly York. Their participation begins this semester and will provide an additional source of mentoring for the 1915 scholars.
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OLLI Fall Courses
OLLI courses for the fall have been announced. You can get more information about OLLI and register for courses at olli.emory.edu. You can see the complete catalog of courses by clicking here . The fall term is September 12 - November 3 and registration is now open. EUEC members John Bugge, Clark Poling, and Brenda Bynum are teaching in this term.
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Medshare
Marianne Scharbo-DeHaan reports: Here we are hard at work sorting medical supplies for shipment to third world countries. You may be able to pick out the following members who put in 4 hours this month: Helen O'Shea, Rose Canon, Carl Hug, Jerry Williamson, Marianne Skeen, JoAnn Dalton and yours truly the photographer! Would love to have some more emeritus join us--contact Marianne Scharbo-DeHaan for more information.
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Dinner with 12 Strangers
The Emory Alumni Association is recruiting hosts for their Dinner with 12 Strangers program: We would appreciate your help recruiting hosts from your schools and areas for our biannual Dinner with 12 Strangers program. Host registration is open for both fall and spring dinner dates -- October 14 -16, 2016 / February 17-19, 2017. We encourage colleagues to consider registering or co-hosting as well. It is a fun and meaningful program and also a great way to meet students and get a sense of the climate on campus. Detailed information can be found at www.alumni.emory.edu/d12.
Dejanae Banks, our new Assistant Director of Student and Alumni Engagement, will be managing the D12 program moving forward. Please send any questions our way.
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The Emory Caregiver Support Program offers a number of services to help with caregiving. One of those services is access to Senior Care Managers. You can read about this program by clicking here. If you would like more information, please contact Mary Ellen Nessmith at 404-727-4177 if you have questions about this benefit or other benefits through the Emory Caregiver Support Program. Note that Senior Care Managers are located across the U.S. and so this benefit would be available to members living outside the Atlanta area. |
New Members
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Walking the Campus with Dianne
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Lunch Colloquium September 12
Carol Anderson
Samuel Candler Dobbs Professor
Chair, African American StudiesAs Ferguson, Missouri, erupted in August 2014, and media commentators across the ideological spectrum referred to the angry response of African Americans as "black rage," Emory historian Carol Anderson wrote a remarkable op-ed in the Washington Post showing that this was, instead, "white rage at work. With so much attention on the flames," she wrote, "everyone had ignored the kindling." Since 1865 and the passage of the Thirteenth Amendment, every time African Americans have made advances towards full participation in our democracy, white reaction has fueled a deliberate and relentless rollback of their gains. The end of the Civil War and Reconstruction was greeted with the Black Codes and Jim Crow; the Supreme Court's landmark 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision was met with the shutting down of public schools throughout the South while taxpayer dollars financed segregated white private schools; the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965 triggered a coded but powerful response, the so-called Southern Strategy and the War on Drugs that disenfranchised millions of African Americans while propelling presidents Nixon and Reagan into the White House. In this, the opening Emeritus College Lunch Colloquium of the 2016-2017 school year, Carol Anderson pulls back the veil that has long covered actions made in the name of advancing democracy, promoting fiscal responsibility, or protecting against fraud, rendering visible the long lineage of the "white rage" that is the subject of the much acclaimed book that has emerged from the op-ed inspired by Ferguson. About Carol Anderson (from her web page):Carol Anderson is Samuel Candler Dobbs Professor of African American Studies at Emory University. Professor Anderson's research and teaching focus on public policy, particularly the ways that domestic and international policies intersect through the issues of race, justice, and equality in the United States. Professor Anderson is the author of Eyes Off the Prize: The United Nations and the African-American Struggle for Human Rights, 1944-1955, which was published by Cambridge University Press and awarded both the Gustavus Myers and Myrna Bernath Book Awards. In her most recent work, Bourgeois Radicals: The NAACP and the Struggle for Colonial Liberation, 1941-1960, also published by Cambridge, Professor Anderson has uncovered the long-hidden and important role of the nation's most powerful civil rights organization in the fight for the liberation of peoples of color in Africa and Asia. Her research has garnered substantial fellowships and grants from the American Council of Learned Societies, the Ford Foundation, the National Humanities Center, Harvard University's Charles Warren Center, the Committee on Institutional Cooperation (The Big Ten and the University of Chicago), and the Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History.
She has also served on working groups dealing with race, minority rights, and criminal justice at Stanford's Center for Applied Science and Behavioral Studies, the Aspen Institute, and the United Nations. Her op-ed in the Washington Post was the most shared for the newspaper in 2014. Professor Anderson has received numerous teaching awards, including the Crystal Apple Award for Excellence in Undergraduate Education, the William T. Kemper Fellowship for Teaching Excellence, the Mizzou Class of '39 Outstanding Faculty Award, the Most Inspiring Professor Award from the Athletic Department, the Gold Chalk Award for Outstanding Graduate Teaching, and the Provost's Teaching Award for Outstanding Junior Faculty. Professor Anderson was a member of the U.S. State Department's Historical Advisory Committee and is currently on the Board of Directors of the National Economic and Social Rights Initiative. She is a Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Miami University, where she earned bachelor's and master's degrees in Political Science, International Relations, and History. She earned her Ph.D. in history from The Ohio State University.
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AROHE Conference 2016
The Eighth Biennial Conference of the Association of Retirement Organizations in Higher Education took place August 14 through August 17 in Seattle on the campus of the University of Washington and in the shadow of Mount Rainier. Five Emeritus College members attended, all members of the Executive Committee: Director Gray Crouse, Chair of the Executive Committee John Bugge, and three Chairs of Standing Committees - Marilynne McKay (Community Engagement), Gretchen Schulz (Mind Matters), and Holly York (Mind Matters and Senate and Faculty Council Representative). The overall theme of the Conference was "Rewriting Life's Next Chapter," which is to say, transforming the traditional narrative of academic retirement into something far richer and more satisfactory than the story that up to now has been told about, and by, previous generations. A detailed schedule of the conference may be seen by clicking here. Emory's contribution to this future storyline found expression in several different ways: As a member of a session on "Promoting the Value of Your Retiree Association to Your College or University," John Bugge presented a detailed analysis of the many different ways in which "mind matters" in the programming of the EUEC. (His PowerPoint slide presentation on this topic may be seen by clicking here.) Armed with the EUEC crystal ball, Gray Crouse participated in a plenary panel discussion on "Visions for the Future: The Transformed Relationships of Higher Education and Retirees in 2030." The general takeaway was that the status of faculty in 2030 will be far different from what it is now, so that planning for academic retirement will be difficult and challenging. Finally, under the leadership of McKay, Schulz, and York, the Emeritus College mounted one of the richest exhibits at the Conference's so-called Resource Fair, in which a great many member organizations of AROHE presented their best practices through means of brochures and other printed material, pictures and slide presentations, and, most of all, pointed conversations with visitors to the Emory table. In addition to some of our standard literature, three resource sheets were prepared to illustrate how three of our programs are organized: the Lunch Colloquiums, the Sheth Lecture, and the Interdisciplinary Seminars. --John Bugge
Baldwin Reports on Retirement Organizations in Higher Education
One of the primary presenters at the AROHE conference was Roger Baldwin, Professor of Higher, Adult, and Lifelong Education and Erickson Distinguished Chair of the Department of Educational Administration at Michigan State University. We of the EUEC have known Roger for many years now--and he has known us--for our Emeritus College was one of four such organizations he researched for an important article published in Innovative Higher Education several years ago, "Emeritus Colleges: Enriching Academic Communities by Extending Academic Life." He had discovered that indeed there were only four organizations designating themselves as "emeritus colleges" among the 180 organizations designated by the more generic term "retirement organizations" that existed in institutions of higher education in the country at that time, and, as he explained in the article, he (and his research team) "decided to investigate these emeritus colleges in depth in order to gain a better understanding of how they serve retired faculty and their institutions."
The examination of the four (including the three organizations similar to ours at Clemson, Arizona State, and the University of Southern California) revealed their names to be well chosen in that they all have "a narrower, more intellectual and scholarly focus" than the great majority of retirement organizations (some just for faculty, some for faculty and staff) that have broader ranging purposes emphasizing social and service opportunities above intellectual and scholarly ones. And Roger discovered that Emory's Emeritus College and the others he studied then were having real success in addressing the fear that prompts so many faculty to postpone retirement--the fear of disconnection from one's colleagues, one's institution, one's very profession--by offering faculty a variety of "means to stay intellectually engaged and continue to contribute professionally in retirement." In thus "extend[ing] academic life beyond official retirement," emeritus colleges "can help make retirement a more attractive option for senior professors who are concerned about who they will be and what they will do in the years following retirement." And as more senior professors choose that "attractive option," their institutions will benefit in being able "to hire new faculty members fresh from graduate school or post-doctoral research experiences," resolving the current very problematic clog in the professorial pipeline with "a steady flow of talented academic professionals at all career stages," including a final stage in which the much-feared stagnation of a backwater is replaced with the opportunity for lots more flow in careers continuing well past their supposed end.
As Roger wrote in the conclusion of that article,
the emeritus college provides a setting for continuing a retired professor's intellectual and professional engagement to the extent that the individual wishes. As one staff director of an emeritus college told us, it is "a place where retired faculty have a home." They are not just "dropping off the face of the earth when they retire." An emeritus college supports continued affiliation with one's institution. It provides an outlet for continuing collegiality, which is illuminated in USC's Emeriti Center College motto, "Colleagues for Life."
And we like to think it's also illuminated in the similar motto Gretchen Schulz has suggested for our own EUEC: "School Forever." As Gretchen has said, "That's my idea of heaven, really."
Given Roger's bona fides as an authority on retirement organizations in higher education, both the few that describe themselves as emeritus colleges and the many that assume more general purposes, it is not surprising that the AROHE leadership asked him to present on the results of his latest research at the Seattle conference. And present he did, with the assistance of Brett Say, an MSU graduate student who worked with him last spring, when he and his team surveyed 164 retirement organizations, and who helped in the analysis of the results that came in from 90 of the organizations surveyed. As Roger explained to conference attendees, "the survey focused on the membership, operation, benefits, and impact of the . . . ROs" and "also asked questions related to the ROs' key challenges and sustainability."
Where membership is concerned, we think it will interest members of the EUEC to know that most ROs, unlike ours, offer membership to both faculty and staff and that most, like ours, invite participation (if not full membership) of spouses and partners, while only a third invite participation of persons nearing retirement or retired from other institutions, as we do. The programs and services reported include "social events (89%), learning opportunities (87%), service opportunities (62%), [and] advocacy (62%)." Although, as noted above, emeritus colleges like ours emphasize "learning opportunities," we can certainly claim to proffer our members social and service opportunities, too, as well as opportunities to advocate on behalf of retirees. And we at Emory also proffer some valuable "programs and services" that "fewer than half" of all ROs proffer, namely, "recognition/awards for retiree achievements/service," "research support/funding," and "programs on retirement issues and opportunities for those considering retirement."
Also interesting is a comparison of our Emeritus College and other ROs when it comes to its position vis-a-vis the University structure, its staffing, and its revenue. Roger and his colleagues discovered that almost half of all ROs "are free standing organizations with no formal affiliation with a university or college." Only a quarter of the total (belonging to the category of those who are affiliated) "are accountable to or submit reports to the institution's chief academic officer" (as the EUEC does to the Provost). The remainder (of the affiliated) report "to HR, alumni, or development offices." And we might note that there's a consensus that our arrangement is by far the best in terms of providing reliable moral and material support. In our case, that support is evidenced by the fact that we have a paid Director (working half-time on our behalf) and a paid administrative assistant (working full-time on our behalf). More than half of all ROs have zero paid full-time staff and almost half have zero paid part-time staff. Regardless of staffing, all rely heavily on volunteers among their members to enable their programming (as do we at Emory, of course, though Lord knows we couldn't begin to do all we do and do so well if it weren't for the blessing of our paid staff). In our case, funding from the Provost's office also provides support that goes beyond staff salaries, and we benefit from some endowment funding, too (like that that endows the Sheth Lecture Series and the Bianchi Grants). But like most ROs, we get significant funding from membership dues or donations (requested in lieu of such dues--the way we ourselves have chosen to proceed). Still, we'd agree with the point Roger made when concluding this portion of his report: "There seems to be considerable potential for more strategic fund-raising beyond normal revenue sources."
In the next portion of his report, Roger described "the most commonly cited benefits of ROs"--all of which we can certainly claim as benefits of our own RO:
maintaining connections with the institution (92%), maintaining relationships with colleagues and friends (92%), service to the institution (69%), [and] aiding in the transition to retirement (48%).
Among benefits cited less often--but, again, benefits we can claim ourselves--are "support for current faculty (37%), mentoring (18%), and increased or continuing financial contributions to the institution." There was consensus that all of us involved in ROs need to do a better job of documenting the latter--and indeed all of the ways that these organizations benefit the institutions they represent as well as their members. For Roger's survey also revealed that "Most ROs are evaluated only informally" by means of "informal discussion with members (46%) and personal observations (11%)." A full quarter of ROs reported no evaluation system at all. Clearly, as Roger suggested in concluding his remarks, "More systematic evaluation methods may help ROs to monitor, publicize, and strengthen their performance."
Emory's Emeritus College has certainly benefited from the fact that the University insisted on a thorough-going evaluation of the EUEC several years ago, following up a full-fledged self study (in 2012) with a visit by representatives from three thriving ROs elsewhere in the country in the spring of 2014 (including two of the few also designated as emeritus colleges). It was the validation of the EUEC the process provided that prompted the powers-that-be at the University to reconfirm its commitment to the Emeritus College and to step up support such that we were soon able to attract the splendid Director we now enjoy to his position--and provide him with an equally splendid (and paid, full-time) Administrative Assistant.
Let's hope that the plans described elsewhere in this article--plans that may bring the next AROHE conference to the Emory campus--do come to fruition. Should we indeed end up hosting ROs from around the country here in Atlanta in the fall of 2018, we'll have much of value to share with them that goes beyond what we can share and have shared already in the presentations Gray Crouse and John Bugge made at the conference just past and in the handouts we prepared for the Resource Fair there. There's no substitute for a visit to the place itself, the "home" place where we of the Emeritus College enjoy "Colleagues for Life" and "School Forever." And maybe we'll be able to entice Roger Baldwin to join us once again--with yet another update on his research into ROs and their benefits for retirees and their institutions.*
--Gretchen Schulz
The Next AROHE Conference in 2018--at Emory? There was a reason that EUEC had such a large contingent at the conference: As outlined in Issue 14 of the Newsletter, the EUEC Executive Committee has been considering the possibility of our hosting the next conference in 2018 here at Emory. Thus the five of us went with several questions in mind: Do we think such a conference is valuable? What about the conference in Seattle did we like and what did we think could have been improved? Is hosting such a conference something that EUEC could do? Is hosting such a conference something that EUEC should do? Does EUEC have sufficient "standing" to be an attractive host? What, exactly, would we be committing to if we offered to host the conference? We have not yet made a final decision, but we all returned enthusiastic about the possibility of hosting the conference here. We felt the conference was very worthwhile and also felt that EUEC would have a lot to offer if we were to host. The response we got in Seattle when we suggested that we were interested in hosting the next conference was enthusiastic, both from AROHE leadership and from conference participants. We have had further discussions with the EUEC Executive Committee, and there is agreement that we should proceed in further planning. If we do host it, the conference would not be in mid-August! Our current thinking is to look for a date in mid-October--a much more pleasant time to be in Atlanta. If you are interested in helping to plan for this conference, please let Gray Crouse know. If we do host the conference, we will want to do it well, and additional help will certainly be needed.
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How do Ethnographers Know?
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Material from Kratz's long term research with Okiek communities in Kenya will be included in her new book, How Do Ethnographers Know?
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Ethnographic approaches gained currency in recent decades in fields ranging from cultural studies, history, religion, and gender studies, to public health, political science, and media studies, as well as continuing to be prominent in the fields where they initially developed - anthropology and sociology. Ethnography helps us understand perennial questions about social life, identity, cultural meaning, creativity, and translation across time and space, yet we do not always know how we know through ethnographic research methods, i.e. how ethnographic methods work to produce knowledge. I received the Alfred B. Heilbrun Jr. Distinguished Emeritus Fellowship in 2014-2015 to work on my book, How Do Ethnographers Know? Communicative Foundations of Ethnographic Knowledge Production. The book consists of a series of essays that examine key methods and issues in ethnographic research in order to analyze their epistemological grounding in communication and interaction. The essays illuminate the ways that knowledge is shaped in ethnographic research by how interviews, life stories, and daily life unfold through speech, visual signs, gesture, and other mediums of engagement. Much descriptive methodological literature continues to overlook or mystify the central epistemological foundations of ethnographic methods in communication and interaction. How Do Ethnographers Know? analyzes the ways the literature about ethnographic methods has portrayed different modes of communication in the research process and examines the assumptions about communication and interaction that undergird the literature. Chapters include capsule histories of selected methods so as to show how unexamined understandings of communication have been reproduced when specific methods were developed and adopted in varied fields. In the course of my long-term ethnographic research in Kenya, begun in 1974, I compiled extensive material (notes, tapes, images, etc.) that offers a careful record of ethnographic research processes and their subtle communicative aspects. I use this material in case studies to illuminate the workings of ethnographic research and what we can understand from analyzing its communicative grounding. Case studies also draw on my years of research on museums and exhibitions. Three core chapters focus on specific, widely used methods - participant observation, life history interviews, and focus groups. Two additional chapters, still in progress, take a thematic approach to concentrate on perennial issues and challenges through which ethnographic research has transformed over time, including how to address social, cultural, and historical processes across contexts and scales, from local to global, as well as explicitly addressing diverse media of communicative interaction, including visual communication, and their implications for ethnographic inquiry. Through these analyses, the book provides new ways to understand the epistemic foundations of ethnographic methods that will contribute to the many fields that conduct ethnographic research and be of interest to researchers, scholars, and students. Duke University Press has expressed strong interest in publishing How Do Ethnographers Know? During the Heilbrun Fellowship, I also worked on other existing commitments and continued as Emory's director of the African Critical Inquiry Program (ACIP). This included writing a paper called "Red Textures and the Work of Juxtaposition," that will appear in November in the journal Kronos as part of a special issue resulting from the 2015 ACIP annual workshop. In addition, I finalized revisions and a complex set of image permissions for a paper entitled "The Case of the Recurring Wodaabe: Visual Obsessions in Globalizing Markets," that will appear in African Arts in early 2017. Both papers acknowledge Heilbrun Fellowship support. Corinne A. Kratz Emory Director, African Critical Inquiry Program Professor Emerita of Anthropology and African Studies
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New Members
New members are the lifeblood of any organization. Please make a special effort to welcome them to EUEC! In Transition:
Darryl Neill, PhD, Goodrich C. White Professor of Psychology
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Move More Challenge Increase your daily movement and realize the benefits of a more active lifestyle.
From HR about the Challenge:
New and returning participants must register for the 2016 challenge. When is it? The Move More Challenge takes place September 19 - November 13, 2016 (eight weeks). Who can participate? All employees of Emory University and Emory Healthcare. Why should you participate?
- Use a Fitbit® (partially subsidized by Emory) to track your activity and connect with others.
- Compete with your co-workers and other departments at Emory.
- Have a chance to win some nifty prizes.
- Most of all, have fun!
One of the advantages of participating is that you are eligible to order a Fitbit at a substantial discount. There is also a slight discount for "Family and Friends" if you want to order more than one Fitbit. (Note that you are eligible to order one Fitbit at a substantial discount; if you already have one, you could order another for this year. You can see the price list by clicking here.) If you are registering for the first time, you will need to select a University division; EUEC is not one of the choices, so you should probably select your home school or department. Last year I set up an EUEC Community Activity Group. This is a "closed" group (i.e. it is not public). If you want to join, send me ( gcrouse@emory.edu) an email and I will add you to the group. Spouses and partners can also be members of this Community Group. There are eight EUEC members in this group who have been active for the last year. As of August 23, for the 23 days of August this group had walked a total of 1,526,500 steps and 729 miles. Thus another advantage of being part of the Challenge is the incentive to up your step total and keep active. Note: in order to officially join the Challenge and get your Emory discount for a Fitbit, you have to use your Emory ID and password to login. If you already have a Fitbit, you can be a part of the EUEC Community Group without going through Emory at all. For more information about the Challenge, see: www.emory.edu/MoveMoreAnswers to various questions can be seen by clicking here.
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Walking the campus with Dianne
Did anyone recognize the statue? It's located in front of the George W. Woodruff Physical Education Center (WoodPEC). It is a representation of our female and male athletes here at Emory University. Just one of the many statues/sculptures I've come across during my walks.
Okay, something quite different for our next walk: Is anyone aware of the fact that there is a cemetery on campus? It's old and unkempt, but documented. Take a look at the photo below and see if you can figure out the location.
Where Will You Find This on Emory's Campus?
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Emory University Emeritus College The Luce Center
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